Calgary & Saskatoon
| Topic: Todd Ross is rookie !!!!!!!! |
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we had a big conversation about this last night. -no tourney experience -no DYP wins above third place. he's driving all the way to saskatoon for the COFC with a rookie partner (glen) from edmonton. I think it would be a shame if glen can't play doubles in rookie because Todd is labled semi. |
Posted: Sep 27 2002 4:06PM
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If you think he is a rookie, how come you rank him as a semi-pro in Calgary? |
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craig, In hindsight I was wrong. The intire website is a product of me sitting at home by myself infront of my computer. I just made it up as I went along. the rankings were just a product of my opinion. it's not like we have a big comittee that has meetings and votes on decisions like ranking. It wasn't till recently that a few of us started to sit down and discuss our rankings. Todd hasn't been playing long, when he started coming out, it was obvious he has a good mind for the game, but his skill level isn't there yet. I don't want to piss anyone off, I just want to state my opinion as a result of the conversation I had last night. It's not up to me anyway. |
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Todd has 42 CFA points, which pretty much means an average payout of $0.42 per DYP, if you look at the results on the empire amusements page, Todd is dead last, Pete A is a rookie and he has 300 points. Ranking should be based on experience AND performance. If your performance is worse than rookies, than how could you be a Semi Pro? |
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His name is Glynn not Glen. i know 'cause that is how it was spelled at the last dyp. Just had to add something. |
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Jason, We debated long and hard before determining what we thought would be a fair split between Rookie and SP in Saskatoon. Patrick Lys would be the top Rookie from Saskatoon.... You have experience playing both Pat and Todd, if Todd is a better player then Pat, then I would say he should be SP, if not, I have no problem with him being Rookie. As for experience... a few of the Saskatoon players have been to 1 tournement only. As for money winnnings at DYP... can't compare... the competition in Saskatoon is a totally diffent level than Calgary, so the guys that have $300+ in winnings in Saskatoon aren't necessarily better than someone with 0 winnings in Calgary. Jason, You are the one that should make this call. |
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Wow if that's the case then Todd is the best rookie that I've ever seen. When I think of rookie I think of John wei. Todd is way above that caliber of play. He has a better five bar then some really good semi-pros. |
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I agree with nathan, personally I believe Todd is a very good player. For sure stronger than players such as Steph and Jordan who i believe are Semi. Sorry Todd just my 2 cents worth. |
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Jason, just for a benchmark, I pulled up a post that you made agreeing with Dale on his list of qualifications for an SP.... I think Andy has a good list. It's time to think about this seriously. I believe that Pat Lys would be top of the rookie division and Nathan (Van Melle) would be bottom of the semi-pro division. the post that Dale C left had good points that can be used a guideline for the rankings. 1. Ability to pass in a series from 5 bar to 3 bar. 2. Ability to play forward with 1 shot that is approached and executed, the same everytime. (we're not machines mistakes happen) 3. Knowledge of some 5 bar defense, ie: Bait and take away. as opposed to staying still 4. Some ability to play as a goalie. ie: basic knowledge of roll over defense and pull defense, again not standing still. Ability to clear the ball. Now this is how i see a S.P some may not, all be it i believe most would agree a rookie is someone fairly new to the game, that has not developed a shot or a pass, or a sense of where the ball is going when shot, or where it is coming from when shot upon. Basically not consistant with their shots or defense. That is my opinion, Thusly their are S.p in S'toon and in Regina as well. i could name them here but thats not fair, be fair in the tourney though 'cause i will be. Later, Dale C |
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Jason, do you remember telling me that Todd Ross is better than Quinn? Quinn is playing semi. |
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Quinn also has no tournament experience and a rookie partner ;( |
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So put that in your pipe and smoke it Jason. Pfffft.....tryin to bring in a ringer for rookies. We'll have none of that...LOL :) |
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Obviously Todd is borderline with Pat being a rookie. What is wrong with being a good rookie? However, if we take a look at his performance: May long tourney - no placing. This was his only tourney where his skills were a threat and anyone can get beaten by a bad draw, bad luck, a player on fire. DYP results - let's compare: Todd's partners: 33% pro (and no offense Tong, but all of these were to the most recently graduated pro) 42% semi - and he probably played forward for more of these 25% rookie Andy (don't mean to pick on you) 50% pro 37% semi 13% rookie Who's draw would you like to have? I'd have a hard time with that kinda luck. What does this mean - Todd is probably more a semi-pro than a rookie - we could evaluate Friday at the DYP. We definitely need to figure out a way to do this that everyone accepts (don't have to agree). This issue came up every time I was playing as a semi-pro. |
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Quinn, who is this rookie partner you speak of?? from what i've heard you're teaming up with Jack and Paul for 2 events they're definately S.P. |
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Sorry Dale, only kidding, just trying to play rookie ;) |
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Darrel, Did you just call Tony "No Offense Tong"? |
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JK BTW. |
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TODD ROSS is no rookie, Todd and i played on monday night and he took me to sweat ball every game we played and we played about 4 or 5 games, i got lucky on some possesions, because Todd missed his passes to his 3 bar which he executed very well. Todd posseses all the qualifications of a semi pro player, he knows 5 bar sequence passes, he knows how to play zone defenses, he can play goal, he has a rollover defense, all he needs is a little more patience and pro player help and he will definetly be a good semi pro player. If Todd is going to play in rookie's because his partner is a rookie(which is his choice), than my brother Nathan should be allowed to play rookie,(again Nathan has all the skills of a semi pro player, but needs that extra help, also his recent shoulder surgury limits his abilities for now). Todd if you read this post, all i am doing is giving my opinion on you playing abilities, you have some good days and you have some bad days, but we all have the same thing, even semi pro and pro players have good days and bad days. In conclusion i hope that my comments on this issue will be helpful in Todd's positioning in rookie's, he should not play rookies he should be in semi pro, i am usually a good judge on someone's playing ability and skill level's. |
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This is been a strange arguement for me. I have a rookie partner that says why are you playing semi-pro you have never won a dyp and played in a tournament? We talked about this last night as I thought it was strange that I was in last place in the Calgary standings and people above me were playing rookie. I appreciate what people are saying about my game but results are results. Last time I checked no one as made it on the pga tour because there game looked good. Obviously pick up games are a little different then competitive foosball and i think this is my case. I also understand that there will be stronger rookies than others and this is apparent in any division and this might be my case. Quinn I don't know you but if your circumstances are similar to mine then you should play rookie. Please don't take this the wrong way I am not trying to sandbag anyone here. I think anyone who knows me what not dispute that I try my best to do well a the dyp's as I am not proud of being in last place. This came up in conversation last night. I have signed up as semipro as I wanted to make sure that barry got his money and it will be a fun tournament for me regardless of what division I play in. |
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-Andy, your right about the points list. if Pete has more points, that is proof that as a rookie, he is doing better than Todd. -Dale, glynn and glen sound the same, so back off -Barry, I know for sure that Pat and Todd would battle game for game, I could not tell you who is better, I think they are the same level. -Seamus, no I don't remember telling you that Todd is better than Quin. and I'm no judge cause I only played Quin one night. -Nathan, ya he's probably the best rookie you've ever seen, with a few bugs worked out of his game, he will be a semi-pro soon. -Darrel, I agree that the DYP would be a good time for the tournament director to evaluate his rank. and you made a good point,"whats wrong with being a good rookie?" -Bash, I think Nathan is a very high rookie as well, they will both be semi-pro level soon. There are allot of semi-pros in Calgary that I think should be moving up to pro soon, this will make room so the rookie player base can grow. It's only my opinion. Everyone has thier different opinions. I don't think anyone is wrong, we are all looking at Todds game from our own perspectives. I don't mean to bring this up to cause trouble or 'bring in a ringer' So think what you want. have fun, play foos, and kick Todds ass! LOL |
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Bash Thanks for the compliments. In what divsion did Nathon start his first tournament? I think that Nathon's game and mine are very close, However he has had better results in Dyp's. When I first started I think I remember him winning a dyp playing forward and shooting against Ang in the final match. This is what makes me upset with my game as I see other people having there night being on and doing well. I guess that I have had 12 bad nights and maybe monday will be lucky 13!! Jay thanks for the support but don't think the last place guy is a "ringer". I can't play at olympic tonight but I can play this weekend |
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With no judgement of anyones playing ability, I just want to point out that it has already been established that this is not a USTSA event and previous tournament results are not affecting anything. We are trying for a split of divisions based on skill, not who has won, or lost in prior tournaments/DYPs. |
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All I can say is there seems to be no criteria that is consistent across the board that these decisions are based on. None. As I see it, it doesn't appear as though the may long tourney or any local tourneys have been taken into consideration. Seems like it's all word of mouth and heresay. |
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OK OK OK. I have known Todd for about a year now. He's not the type to argue. In fact, to his credit, i think he is one of the most well liked guys in our club. I don't think any of this would be an issue if Glynn, Todd's doubles partner, hadn't given thought to why Todd and Glynn can't play rookie doubles. If i was Glynn, i would be thinking the same thing. Todd hasn't entered any tournaments other than our weekly dyp's. Todd hasn't done well in our dyp's. In Calgary, we've always based our rankings on RESULTS. No wins in major local tournaments, no upward move in rankings. I don't see why this tournament should be any different. Albeit, Barry, you are the TD. I think that the reason that Todd was ranked SP locally is because there is no beginner division. Obviously his skillset is better than Joe Blow off the street. We do not even know if Todd can beat Pete or Jordan, who are higher rookies here. They have not played. This is why i think Todd should be allowed to play rookie. Just because Todd has been loyal to the club and everyone likes him doesn't mean his skill level should be ranked higher - don't take that the wrong way Todd. Bash, if Nath can play rookie this tourney there is no reason why Todd shouldn't be able to. I will ask the Saskatoon guys this question. Are there any players, rookies specifically, that came out and played here in May as rookies and placed in the money who are going to be playing rookie again next weekend? Like i said, here in Calgary, we graduate players when they win a first place in a tourney. Not second, or third. To me, Todd hasn't done shit in a tourney so there'll be no talk of many of us voting for Todd to be able to play rookie because hes a good guy. If we do play VIFA this year in Calgary, our team would have been Jay, Andy, Todd, and myself. One pro, two SP's and a rookie. I think the order is apparent. I also think that many Calgary players have judged Todd's ability on what they see in his pickup games. i don't know about you guys, but how i play in pickup games is VASTLY different than what i'll play in a tourney when the money's on the line. I think some people forget how poorly Todd has done in our DYP's. The one thing we can all do is VOTE. Sorry bout the long thread guys, but all along we have based rankings on RESULTS. I think it would be hypocritical to change that. One final note. Glynn is from Edmonton. Todd is from Calgary. So much for practicing with your partner before the tournament.....That's for all the rookies who worry about that tandem in rookie doubles. Remember, the best way to get better is to get your ass kicked across the room. Then pride, practice, hard work, and motivation come into play...... |
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Holy sh** Tony, 500 words or less please. ;) Not to take anything away from Todd, I haven't met him but sure look forward to playing him, rookie or otherwise, but I have a few problems with your logic..... 1) "I think that the reason that Todd was ranked SP locally is because there is no beginner division." ---What was Pete ranked then? Rookie, not SP, I believe. 2) "Bash, if Nath can play rookie this tourney there is no reason why Todd shouldn't be able to." ---Bash never said Nathan was playing rookie, he only stated Nathan and ---Todd had comparable skill levels in his opinion. 3)"I will ask the Saskatoon guys this question. Are there any players, rookies specifically, that came out and played here in May as rookies and placed in the money who are going to be playing rookie again next weekend? Like I said, here in Calgary, we graduate players when they win a first place in a tourney. Not second, or third." ---Tony (first), Jason (did not place)in SP singles. ---Tony/Jason (first) in SP doubles. ---Tony has moved up to Pro, and Jason has stayed SP. ---Patrick (third), Nathan (fourth) in Rookie singles. ---Patrick & Nathan (first) in rookie doubles. ---Nathan has moved to SP, Patrick has stayed rookie. ---So by your logic, either Nathan should play rookie ---or Jason should play Pro and Patrick SP? 4)"I also think that many Calgary players have judged Todd's ability on what they see in his pickup games." ---What's at issue here, I believe, IS his ABILITY, and pick-up games ---or not, a lot of Pros consider him a SP, and a lot of SP consider him ---an equal. We're not trying to rank players based on their mental ---focus from game to game, just their ability. ---If the boys got game, then he's got game, tournament or not. Having sadly spent the better part of an hour picking apart what is probably the longest essay in the history of this message board with an equally long-winded reply, I leave you with the knowledge that I don't know Todd and thus have no opinion one way or the other. Just too much time on my hands and a need to point out the weaknesses in fragmented thinking. Keep smiling boys. :-) |
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A while back there was a thread regarding what skills constituted a Semi-Pro. There was a list that Dale C. presented that seemed to be agreed upon by many including Jason B.. There was no mention of results in that list. This is the list that I lamented over for a long time before deciding on who should be ranked SP from Saskatoon. Referring to a Calgary thread labeled "My Ranking", there is another discussion of Todd and Nathan D.'s rankings. In that thread I mentioned that of what I saw of Nathan D's skills in Calgary, he demonstrated skills every bit as good as many of the Saskatoon players that will be ranked SP this go around. There has been many references to Nathan D. playing Rookie... I'm not sure where this is coming from... Nathan D. has not registered for the COFC and if he did, I would have a hard time ranking him a Rookie without changing 3 Saskatoon players from SP to Rookie as well. In determining ranking for Saskatoon players we went by the skill list, not results. There was mention a while back of using Saskatoon's money-list to determine who should go SP... that really doesn't work since the level of competition is totally different between Saskatoon and Calgary. Saskatoon didn't have a single player that shot a roll-over or had a roll-over defence before May. In the May tourney in Calgry there were Sask. players that got their butts kicked as Rookies that will be entering as SP this go around... their games have since improved a lot, but if results are really what matters should they be left in Rookie until until they prove themselves there before moving them up? As TD, my main concern is fairness... I agree that there is nothing wrong with being a good Rookie, but there also is nothing wrong with being a low-end SP. I have never seen Todd play so I can't be the judge... I need to trust others that do know his level of play to use a criteria that is similar to what seemed to be discussed and agreed upon a while back. As I write this I can see that Pat just posted a long-winded rant as well.... all I can say is that I pity anyone who starts reading this thread from the beginning!!! |
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WOW. you guys have way too much time on your hands :) |
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What a pain in the ass. 1. Todd is no beginner, that is the point i was trying to make. He should be ranked rookie. 2. Nathan played rookie in Calgary in May. He did not win. He did not even place. In singles or doubles. Should he be allowed in rookie again? If so, why does Todd have to play SP? 3. We've always ranked based on SINGLES results. Jason did not place in singles, SP or Open. Therefore he does not move up. I won SP so i moved up. Neither Nathan or you won in rookie singles, Marty Jenson did. I have no problem with you playing rookie. I don't care, i most likely will not be facing anyways. 4. Last time i checked, we've got about 7 "PROS" in Calgary active. Steele, Popowich, Ljubas, Demello, Karmis, Dasuki, and myself. I think only Darrel, Bash and I have commented on TR's ranking in relation to Saskatoon. That to me is not a LOT. As far as the other SP's, i think their opinions are a little biased don't you Pat? Pat, i'll leave you to think about this one.... Frederico and Todd have won 5 world championship doubles titles in a row - 98' to 02'. They have played and beaten many great teams with "ability". It takes a lot more than ability to win. There are a lot of intangibles. I know of more than one player locally who is what i consider to be "more skilled" than i am, yet has never won diddly. I don't place a lot on rankings as you can see. Look at the last two Super Bowls. Anyone can win, on any given day. Nuff said. |
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I never said Nathan was going to play in this tourney, or that he was a rookie, all i was doing was comparing skill level's, the only thinbg that is different between Todd & Nathan, is that Nathan has had major surgery on his right shoulder that limits his ability so if he was playing in this tourny that he should play rookie's. Todd is not a rookie and should not play rookie just his 5 bar alone justifies that, Todd has all the right moves and just needs a little fine tuning and he would be a good semi pro player, now Todd's partner is from edmonton ( Todd's choice, so no practice time). Todd, i am not trying to be mean or against you, i am just telling you like it is, YOU ARE NOT A ROOKIE YOU ARE A SEMI PRO!!!!!!!, end of story and plz lets stop this thread here. |
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Oh, this one's going to get me in trouble. Bash - should you still be a pro if you can't score on a man-over-man defence! LOL |
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Tony, I was not aware we based our rankings on results??? we play one maybe two tournys a year!!! not much of a way to gage. Darrell won 5 or 6 tournys before he got moved to pro. Bash and yourself only won one. I'm not saying anything about who's better out of you three, I'm just making a point that we have never really had any consistant way of ranking players. It does not affect me if Todd plays rookie, but I believe he is better than that. As Bash said earlier Todd is hard to beat, he can play competively with any player in Calgary, and that includes the Pros. |
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An entire thread without hearing from Simon or Garry? Someone in Edmonton go over to their houses and see if they had an accident or something. "I've fallen and can't reach my computer!" ;-P |
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Nice one Darrell, we'll just see in what's going to happen in saskabush, i am in a slump right now but look out, things will get better just in time. |
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ok Pat, you want some Edmonton input, here it is. Todd Ross' partner, Glynn Wong has a push kick of death !!!!!! LOL, inside joke, edmonton humour, had to be there. right jack? :) |
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just so you guys don't think i died or something, i thought i would post on this thread( still with no opinion though) to keep pat happy lol aren't you guys sick of simon and i on here though??? |
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Everything is right with the universe once again. LOL |
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I think Eugene should not be allowed to play semi pro! neither should Jason. Dale C said Eugene has one of the most consistent 5 bars/3 bars in Clagary and Jason won SPD in May. Move them both up. ! ;-̃ ( just trying to stir the pot and keep Pat happy ) The tournament I went to in Aug of 2001, Bash was SP. In May 2002 he played as a pro. What tournament did I miss that he won ? was it the one in August ? |
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ok, let todd play rookie. LOL |
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Eug, if Darrel played in 5 or 6 tourneys as a SP, won, and was not moved up directly after that is something that should have been addressed. Maybe we should ask Caw Caw. Doesn't everybody rank based on performance and results? I think that's the way things should be. I've only played in 3 tourneys, all in Calgary, all at the Blackfoot since i started playing on Tornado. A third, a second, and finally, a first. To me that means that my game progressively got better from one tournament to the next. I just don't see where Todd has had that same opportunity. I think he deserves that. We've had this argument before remember (eugene)? Simon, Bash won SP singles in August. It had been decided, and Bash had said himself that had he won that tournament that he should be bumped to PRO. One final thing that i'd like to mention. Todd never said he wouldn't play if he was ranked SP. He hasn't complained or made any off the cuff remarks. He just wants to have a good time. That's the kind of guy he is. JASON YOU IDIOT, NEXT TIME PUT UP A LESS INFLAMMATORY THREAD...I'VE NEVER TYPED SO MUCH IN MY GODDAMN LIFE. |
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Hey Simon i won 2 smei pro singles events and placed second in 2 tourney's with my ex partner Chris Demello I got bumped up after that - the last semi pro singles tournement i lost 1 game the whole tourney and that was to my brother, it was decided after that that i got bumped up to pro. |
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Tony, If you win a semi pro event that doesn't mean you should automatically be moved up to pro or if your in last place in the DYP results that doesn't make you a rookie either. It should be based on how good of a player you are. We only have two tournaments a year so its pretty hard to use that as a measuring stick. I prefer the way Darrel was moved up. He dominated the semi pro's and has proved himself in pro. Others have been moved into pro and have not won anything. Is this right ? We have some players in Edmonton that haven't won anything and are ranked pro. I personally think they would clean up in semi pro if they were allowed to play. They have a great chance of placing in the top three in the pro division or even winning it. Since we have no formal point system and typically it is Edmonton vs Calgary we decide amongst ourselves who is a pro, who is a semi and so on. I think winning one or two events shouldn't move you up. You have to have the game ! Like Barry said Todd entered as a semi pro, so I believe he considered himself a semi pro. Everyone else considered him a semi pro. He should play semi pro. |
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Hey Bill You played with Glynn at the last dyp. Was his push kick really there?? Tell me that was not total sarcasm. Because were going to need it! Ps- I am guessing as well that he played lots of defence. Did he stop anything?? |
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Todd, I am not sure how to tell u this, but ah, um, well...you see....he did not break out the push kick (i think he's saving it for sask). and yes he did play defence....did he stop anything?..........just ask him how his pull defence is, you might want to show him a few things on pull d :). You guys will do fine. see u then. |
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Just a couple issues on our ranking system. To say that we have always bumped up players once they win a singles major is a FARCE... However, as of lately (past 1 1/2 years or so) we have talked about bumping people up once they win or place good in several divisions. This made sense at the time, especially keeping the ranking consistent between the Calgary - Edmonton players, Edmontons SP is APPROXIMATLEY about the same level as a typical Calgary SP, Edmontons pro is APPROXIMATELY the same level as a Calgary Pro. Edm and Calgary have never really had rookies travelling back and forth for the tournaments. Now Saskatoon is a recent addition to the scene, and now with a larger player base with Saskatoon (And Regina!) all this "Dirty Laundry" is coming out in the air. I believe that the May long tourny in Calgary, the players were ranked about were they should be, or at least closely with minor adjustments (eg not EVERYONE in Saskatchewan is a rookie) . I think during this upcoming weekend the local organisers (myself & Jason from Calgary, Barry from Sask, Simon from Edmonton and Eric from Vancouver) could perhaps keep an eye on EVERYONE playing, and perhapd start an intercity points system, this could perhaps spread Canada wide. As fas as I know, Calgary/Edmonton/Sasktaoon have the biggest intercity foos scene in Canada. What better place to start a ranking system that works with players from different geographical regions? Van has tons of players, but they don't host major tournaments and their players don't consistently come out to Canadian events. (What ever happend to "Strange Paul"?)... I know Quebec has a huge foos scene (unfortunately its Garlando, but at least their playing the game), but Calgary & Sask tournaments bring about 1/2 of their players, if not more, from out of town. Just my thoughts, maybe we can work with Eric with a CTSA points system, or maybe I'm just rambling too much... |
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This is exactly what the Canadian Table Soccer Federation (CTSF), is hoping to do. We have Vancouver, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Ottawa, and pretty much all of Quebec on board, and dedicated to make this a reality. I havent heard back from Calgary or Regina yet, but i'm sure we'll be hearing from them soon enough. Each promoter in their region is going to enter their stats in our databse, and we're going to be using an ELO based system (much like Saskfoos and VanFoos uses) - infact Richard Tench (the guy that built the VanFoos system) is working with us on the points system for the CTSF). I was planning on keeping a very close eye out during the COFC, so we can at least be aware of those that are obviously not a rookie. But with any good system, time will fix all errors. The more players from various regions participate in intercity, provincials, or canadian wide tournaments, the better our overall ranking system will be. This is key.. we must start to play in other peoples back yards more often, and CTSF is hoping to give people reason to do so. So the COFC will be the first tournament that will effect points for the CTSF. you can check out http://www.canadafoos.com for now, the site is still under construction, but at least we have a cool logo. .B-) see you all in a week! Eric Dunn CTSF |
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Come on Calgary - get with the program ! |
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---DYP results - let's compare: ---Todd's partners: ---33% pro (and no offense Tong, but all of these were to the most recently graduated pro) ---42% semi - and he probably played forward for more of these ---25% rookie And I might add 0% beginner Now I'll be one of if, not the top rated (not ness. skilled) players to come out of Regina. And here are my stats for partners in both BYP and DYP's. -0% Pro (I've never even SEEN a Pro play.) -About 8% Semi-Pro(oddly never won a turny while playing with these guys.) -About 70% with Rookies -About 20% with Beginners (I usually get stuck playing forward with these guys, and I'm probably a low beginner from the forward position) My opponents are probably are about the same %'s So if a Calgary player can be easily considered equal to Pat(top rookie in all Sk) and has Sooo much more experience playing with/against high(better) ranked players, How could someone consider him a Rookie??? Rank people how you want though, it doesn't really matter to me. I just like pointing out the obvious. |
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Hey G I never said that I was a beginner and I know that i would be a higher ranked rookie. There will be differences in skill level in all divisions however (strong pro's, weaker pros, strong rookies, weak rookies). It does not matter however as I am playing as a semi pro. Just my feedback. |
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For the record, Todd has never claimed to be a rookie, although he probably feels like one often enough do to what seems to be a disproportionaly large number of "just one of those games" that we all seem to have from time to time where nothing you do stops things from going wrong dispite knowing you're better that this. He signed up as semi-pro and intended to play SP. This thread was not started be Todd, it was started by people who, from what I can tell, wanted to A) Poke a little harmless fun at him and his bad luck (and Andy too) B) Have a simple discussion to ensure no one was overlooked when the final rankings came down. Good fun was had, good discussions were had, and final decisions were handed down. Let the poor guy play foosball now without a Karmis-like cloud hanging over his head for the whole tournament. (yes Simon, I'm aware that would be a "pretty big" cloud) On that note, Pita should be SP based on the way I bricked him, and Chupati should be Rookie given the way I hammered him in singles the last time I was through. :-P |
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Hey Pat, watch out for the "hover shot" and you will be the victim of the devastaing and unstopable boomer of a shot, lolololololol |
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I was sooooo hoping you were going to bring that shot with you. LOL I've been studying the "Fredrico helicopter" my man. You're game has been broken down, dissected, and stored for future reference. The mystery that was Pita is no more....turns out it's just a big, soft shell filled with not much of anything.:P |
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Pat i t will be a pleasure to embarass you in front of all the players in saskabush with the powerful yet deadly hover shot, i will apologize right now on how bad i will seek and destroy you pilgrim lololololololol |
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please correct me if i'm wrong, but todd did not do very well again in the last dyp, yet some of you guy's think(rank)him as a semi-pro ! you calgarians only have a dyp to determine rankings and yet he has not placed in top 3 of any dyp or tournaments. why dont you guy's give your heads a shake and support the game as well as your fellow foosers! thats problably why calgary does not have a regular league(too many egos-and apparently too much bull-shit!) |
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If it was an ego thing wouldn't we want to keep him in rookie??? Todd is a good player and is ranked where he should be. Enough said!!! |
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WOW! Easy does it!! Glynn save that aggression for the table!!! See ya Thursday!! ps- SML runs the league not us. |
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Hey Glynn, take a pill relax, sit dawn and relax, i don't know who you are and i dont think you know who i am, i have never seen you play and i have seen Todd play and the way he plays he is a semi pro, and that is final!!!!!!!!! I think it is very unprofessional of you, to make a comment like that, not knowing the circumstances and most of all not knowing any of the players in calgary in general, so to make this short - keep your mouth shut and lets play some foos. |
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I think it was Glynn's evil twin brother that posted that comment ! lol |
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Simon there seems to be a lot of that going around. Be aware that the IBFN is looking into all these matters. If you or anyone knows the where-abouts of these "Twin Brothers" e-mail us at ibfn_inc@yahoo.com and we will follow up on the tips. Glynn I know how it feels to be betraid by blood hang in there man. We're behind you all the way |
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We need to get Paypal to issue beer credits on these damn message boards. Glynn, the reason we don't have a league like yours is because the people who hold the league charter down here, SML aka Southern Music Ltd., haven't been too interested in Calgary Foosball. The players have tried to make many suggestions and so on but the communication isn't there. As far as egos go, they're not exclusive to Calgary....Good luck in toon. |
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One of the biggest reasons I see why Todd hasn't done well in DYP's is because of the skills he is trying to use. - His 5-bar is very advanced - he gets it through anybody including pros - he just drops too many. Other semipros and all rookies have trouble getting it through. - His three rod is timing the right holes on very good D's. His execution is just off as he hits the wall. - His two rod may miss, but he is trying shots that many semi-pros don't and some pros don't. His D will come with experience. His overall results aren't great, but he is just a few 'undropped' balls a game from really excelling as a semipro. If he came in as a rookie - the complaining about 'Calgary' would be far greater. |
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Glynn, shut up, and quit your bitching ! don't you have a pull defence to practice ? :) or how about that killer pushkick that your savin for Sask? ;) hahaha! you know I'm jokin buddy, see ya then. |
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