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Calgary & Edmonton & Vancouver & TSAC
| Topic: Edmonton Major Tournament - March 26-28 |
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The Edmonton Foosball League is pleased to announce we have booked another major tournament! This is a preliminary announcement and subject to change, but we do have the space booked and have started planning the event. The main events will be held at West Edmonton Mall on March 27 and 28(Saturday and Sunday). The tournament will consist of the following events: Beginner Singles Beginner Doubles Rookie Singles Rookie Doubles Semi-Pro Singles Semi-Pro Doubles Open Singles Open Doubles On Friday night before the event, we will have an Open DYP at Gateway Entertainment Center (the location of Nationals). It is easier this way so that I don't have to book WEM for 3 days. All events will be standard Double Elimination format and consist of at least 100% payback. The possibility of sponsorship money being added exists, but is not locked up yet. I just wanted to announce this to get some hype going for now. This tournament will not be as big as Nationals was, but should consist of about $3,000-$4,000 in payouts. The entry fee's will be as low as possible. Probably about $10 for rookies to play in events, up to about $30 for pro players to play in open. The focus of this event is more on gaining exposure for Edmonton Foosball League than it is about bringing in players from other cities - although certainly anyone is welcome to attend! I am not yet sure whether this will be a Tornado or Warrior event, but certainly both are possible(and up for debate/discussion). More details to follow, as they come in or are decided upon. If anyone wants to contact me to talk about this, or anything else for that matter email will_stranks@hotmail.com or call me, 780-231-6446. |
Posted: Jan 21 2010 9:02PM
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Hey Will, I think this is a good idea. I think you should hit up the Apple Store for a donation of an ipod or something for the event. Even if it's just an ipod shuffle or something.  |
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"even if its just an ipod shuffle or something" You are just taking credit for my idea this morning! Have a good mexico trip Des, see you in a week.  |
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Warrior! I've never played on them before. Should add an extra bit of excitment and freshness. |
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Will, I mentioned this to my buddy at Fireball. He might contact you regarding a promo table there or perhaps providing tables if there is enough interest. I know to most players there the Fireball table is irrelevant now but believe me in the future it won't be. It is already Tony's favorite table. It is much better quality than Warrior and a better world table than Tornado (for ticktaking, Euro toe, etc.) but still a great table for North American style play as well (Snake and Pull shots). Likely too early to consider for play this year for you but it might be of interest for going there as a promo table? Anyway, I will let him know. Have a great tourny guys and hope to see some of you in Vegas. Regards, Fred Gower |
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Please do not have warrior. There are enough warrior tournaments in states that we dont need anymore in canada. If you wanted to showecase foosball, you should do it on the best tables. Tornado and fireball would be great since warrior has the worst rep. I heard fireball to be the best. So be smart and get the free fireball tables!!! Also the the fireball tables should be included in winning the open. |
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Please do not have warrior. There are enough warrior tournaments in states that we dont need anymore in canada. If you wanted to showecase foosball, you should do it on the best tables. Tornado and fireball would be great since warrior has the worst rep. I heard fireball to be the best. So be smart and get the free fireball tables!!! Also the the fireball tables should be included in winning the open. |
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Please do not have warrior. There are enough warrior tournaments in states that we dont need anymore in canada. If you wanted to showecase foosball, you should do it on the best tables. Tornado and fireball would be great since warrior has the worst rep. I heard fireball to be the best. So be smart and get the free fireball tables!!! Also the the fireball tables should be included in winning the open. |
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Please do not have warrior. There are enough warrior tournaments in states that we dont need anymore in canada. If you wanted to showecase foosball, you should do it on the best tables. Tornado and fireball would be great since warrior has the worst rep. I heard fireball to be the best. So be smart and get the free fireball tables!!! Also the the fireball tables should be included in winning the open. |
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Yeah FireBall!  , bring enough so people can buy some.Great chance to spark a new interest level and give Western Canada a head start when these tables are used world-wide. |
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LOL I think Tuan wants to play on a Warrior! |
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Warrior is Ok, I don't know what your problem with it is Tuan. Check out the 30 mins video of the Hawaiian tournament. Why shrug a table that has a promoter that is seems committed so far? We have Tornado Tournaments in Vegas, Dallas, etc don't you think it will be fun to play Warrior? I have inside info on Fireball. It is better than warrior no doubt, but its just in PRE production stages. |
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I also enjoy playing on Warrior, I think it is a great table actually - although I do agree that Tornado tables are built better. I think the newbie players that you would get in a mall would rather play on a Warrior, it is easier and the one man goalie (although insignificant to me) is something that every non tournament player talks about when you play them on Tornado. Tuan have you ever played on Warrior or are you just going off what you have heard? I'm happy to hear what you think either way, and honestly having you say you would rather not play on warrior is significant especially because you have come out here the last 2 tournaments. I know the reviews Warrior gets online are not great, but really it is still a great tournament table. Fireball would be really interesting, I have heard nothing but good reviews on the table and the video's look great. I'll talk to some other players that have tried out the table to see what they think also. One thing I can say is that Warrior used to get only positive reviews too when it was in pre-production. Thanks Fred for introducing the Fireball discussion, I'll see where this goes but it is exciting. |
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Firechicken!!!!! Everytime I've played on Warrior it has been a disappointing experience. Everytime I've played on Fireball it has been exhilirating. On Tornado, my game just sucks. Vacuous truths - where would my arguments be without them? |
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I liked playing on Warrior but have only played a few games on it. I think a pull shooters arm would be sore after and I think that the build quaity and longevity of the table is not very good. My buddy Mark Murrell redesigned it and I tried that one in Dallas along with Dave. It was a big improvement and playability was good but no idea if Brenadan will be making the improvements. I think a tournament on Tornado but having a Fireball around to try out would be a pretty fun way to go. Anyway, whatever table is chosen I am sure it will be a great event. I wish I could be there. We may not play as well, but we have hotter girls at our tournaments in China. |
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Warrior is not that bad of table, but, I think if you had equal resources of both, I am not sure why one would choose Warrior for the tourney table. My overall opinion of the table is that it's just too slow (I guess this is a ball complaint) and takes away alot of the dynamics that give better players the edge. That being said (my new fav quote) any of the three tables mentioned wouldn't sway me away from the tourney if I chose to go. |
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Tuano, Some points for you to consider: Warrior vs TOrnado Warrior - lighter table, less durable. But less noticeable from a jarring perspective Warrior - slower, grippier ball. great for rollovers, adjustments need to be made for pull shooters Warrior - evens the playing field a bit (see JA's comments above) Warrior - slower ball.. less slop. Warrior - cheap to buy, even with proposed coin op Warrior - back pins (yes, bring back the deadman) bank shots. Warrior - a players tour, for the most part. Give it a chance, you might even LIKE it. It can't be any worse than the changes over the years Tornado has made with balls, men, handles, balls popping off tables, manufacturing locations, etc. |
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Tuano, Some points for you to consider: Warrior vs TOrnado Warrior - lighter table, less durable. But less noticeable from a jarring perspective Warrior - slower, grippier ball. great for rollovers, adjustments need to be made for pull shooters Warrior - evens the playing field a bit (see JA's comments above) Warrior - slower ball.. less slop. Warrior - cheap to buy, even with proposed coin op Warrior - back pins (yes, bring back the deadman) bank shots. Warrior - a players tour, for the most part. Give it a chance, you might even LIKE it. It can't be any worse than the changes over the years Tornado has made with balls, men, handles, balls popping off tables, manufacturing locations, etc. |
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I find all the tables to be problematic. They all have offensive, aggressive, testosterone induced (and inducing) names such as Tornado, Warrior, Fireball, Dynamo, Rene Pierre (if that doesn't get you all riled up and angry, what will), Douchemaster, etc. I vote the tournament uses the first table to come up with a softer, more feminine, more inclusive, compassionate, caring table name. Here's to the first Canadian tournament played on the Warm Embrace table. By the way, I'm not even going to trademark that name - consider it my contribution to the betterment of foosball. |
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I don't mind playing on the Warrior at all, but I will say that I found just as much slop on the Warrior then I did with Tornado. I definately seen more banks, but I didn't see anyone pull out back pins. I still prefer to play on Tornado if I had my choice. Definately easier on my aging body. |
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I'm ok with having it played on Tornado and have a warrior table or 2 to bang around on. |
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Will there is some new ITSF posting as of Feb 2 ,2010 regarding allowance for each ITSF member to submit for application of a Master series or Pro series tournaments. Providing compliance to 2 table ruling. Maybe there is a way to get the March tournament played with both Fireball/Tornado or Warrior with some extra support from these manufacturers. Possible extra funding or prizes could be included? You have any contact from the ITSF about such provisions for this type of optional consideration? |
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This is the link to that ITSF info update release. http://www.table-soccer.org/news/index.php?news=429 |
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Maybe I am missing something Carey but I don't see how that is any different from last year. Other than the fact that the Tornado World Championships is up for grabs.... That would be cool - at this point I'm not too interested in the ITSF thing, I don't want to pay them so that I can run a tournament. If it gets to the point that more players will attend my event because it is ITSF sanctioned then I will use that as a tool to promote the game, for now though it doesn't help me at all. |
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Its official: This tournament will be run on Warrior. Warrior is more willing to work with me on the price of tables and a lot of other aspects of promoting foosball. Warrior actually cares about this game, Tornado has offically said they don't care about anything but selling tables. They don't even want to run tournaments any more - they are just doing it because no one else is. Still the Tornado table is king, but Warrior is also a great table and has advantages in some areas that Tornado hasn't been able to figure out. There are a few more events that are being added, a junior event and a Pro/Master DYP. We will have 8 tables at the event. Flier coming soon. |
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Ok, I was not aware of last years ITSF requirements compared to this years. Nothing changed for the better. Will that was fast work to get some type of committed effort of support from Warrior. Great stuff!!  About any type of DYP run before the two booked days at WEM,where will that take place and on what tables? Would be good for everyone to get some table time on the Warrior the weekend before the actual events start. Any pre-thoughts Will? |
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Hopefully we can figure out a way to have a Friday night DYP on Warrior. I'm not sure at this point what we will do to be honest. I'd love to get people some table time ahead of that, but realistically I would rather have new tables at the start of the tournament than have played a few DYP's on them. Friday night, before the event, I'll try to find a location that we can host a DYP. Maybe one of the bars near WEM will let us have a special function the night before and then sponsor the tournament! |
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Will, if you're going to have a pro/master DYP, you should make it a no 2 players from the same city DYP (as much as reasonably possible anyway). It would be good to mix up the groups a bit and get people playing with people that they wouldn't get the chance to. In my opinion anyway. |
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Ya I agree - could be fun to play with someone new! I will draw it up with as few "same city" teams as possible. I'll note that semi and rookie players will not be allowed to play in this event. It will run at the same time as rookie and semi events. I want to limit the conflicts again - I think that is important to the success of an tournament. I'll have final details soon - this is looking better and better every day. At first I just had emailed WEM out of curiosity but it has snowballed and this is looking pretty big now! |
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Rankings: players moving up: Brian Loeppky from pro to master Ben from Rookie to Semi Carey Luft from rookie to semi I didn't see Nathan S. Play much, but he had pretty good results including winning semi pro singles at nationals. Can I get some input on that for a bump? What about Mathan Van Melle? He beat me in singles and finished 2nd in semi, but didn't do as well in doubles, and I placed in the money in the last 3 semi events I have played so I think I should get bumped up. Any thoughts on this or other suggestions for rankings change? Let me know if you have ideas and reasons for them. |
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Will it is better to put up a Major relisting of the players rankings so everyone can see where they are on that list compared to others. Then opinons and assessments can be made and posted from concerned individuals. Posting the city the player is from can be beneficial also as a on going reference for everyone too. |
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I suggest I move down to semi |
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I agree with Simon. He beat me the last time we played and it doesn't take much of a game to do that so he should be Semi or lower. |
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actually Tim, you beat me at the Calgary qualifier. So I have less of a game than you think. I should definitley be lower than a semi. |
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Ya... Simon is a pro. Carey I will post a list at some point, but really the people who can give valueable input (Paul, Brian L, Garry, Eric, Barry, etc) already know what everyone is ranked. I'm going to make the final decision on this but I do want some Input on players that I don't really know. |
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for the record, i crushed Nathan S in the final of Semi-Pro Singles to finish first |
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Oh sorry Nathan, my memory must be failing... Good job by the way. |
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I should be moved down to semi-pro. Tim's quips are much better than mine. Therefore I will qualify for semi-pro events and could now consider coming to not only play in 2 events. Nelson |
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Yawn |
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Keep in mind there is a DYP and a pro/master DYP, open singles and doubles - and also a team event if there is enough players from bc. Apart from that we will have other "mini" events running - like a beat the pro competition, trick shot competitions, and games of HORSE. That gives you 5 competitions and other games too, plus there is an entire mall filled with other entertaining things to do if you go 0-10 and did yourself out of the competition. |
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What is my rank going to be? and what time will the events I am allowed to play in start? Will this be entered into Mary's point system? and what time do the events on friday night start? |
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Hey Craig, Check this out. $100 for round trip. i think the offer ends today. http://www.aircanada.com/en/offers/air/ntp_ca_feb10/ntp_ca_feb10.html |
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Craig you are ranked pro, that leaves the same 5 events as Nelson for you to play in. With $100 round trip we might even get a BC team? |
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Event tines havn't really been set, what is best for you? Friday night DYP starting at 8. The pro/master draw will run saturday morning while rookie and semi events run. Open events will start at 1 on Saturday and 11 on Sunday. I'm working on a flier now and it should be released Monday or Tuesday. |
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Are the rankings from last time valid unless otherwise changed? http://www.saskfoos.com/view_topic.asp?ParentID=47245&x Just curious as to what my Pro ranking is based off of? |
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Since the Pro/Master DYP is not open to everyone semi and below , does that mean the regular DYP will only be open to semi and below ? Maybe a Semi/Pro vs Rookie/Master event could be some type of option? I like the different city team combos for a DYP option too. |
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Jeff - I had one person in each city rank every player on that list. From east coast to west coast one person that had touring experience. I averaged out everyones ranks. Each person ranked based on results and experience. Essentially I did it as fairly as possible. I know I can't rank people on my own, I don't know enough... If you feel you are not ranked fairly then you can contest it. Just email me at will_stranks@hotmail.com and compare your results to people in one of the other ranks... Show me that you don't belong - whether you think you are ranked too low or too high just showmen otherwise and I'll approve it if you have a valid point. I'm reasonable and I know not everyone on that list was ranked correctly. Thanks for asking though, that goes for everyone on the list. |
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Carey - the DYP is open to everyone. I explained above the reason for that.The pro/master dyp will run during the semi pri and rookie events. You will be busy playing during the same time as the pro/master dyp. It makes no sense to have a rookie/semi only dyp. I think the Friday night DYP would be better suited as an open DYP. |
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Will the Saturday morning DYP start after 10 my flight isnt going to land till 9am saturday i assume it wont take more than an hour to get to the mall from the airport |
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If your coming and your flight arrives at 9 we can work something out. Maybe I can draw you in and you can text me when you arrive. I'm sure it won't be a problem. I havn't figured out exact times, and during any event promoters obviously have some flexibility. I don't want to make too many exeptions but that will work out i'm sure. |
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Just one question fellas, how do I learn how to make those crazy spinneroo shots you yazoos are doing every Tuesday night? I've asked my son to show me but he refuses! What a nutcracker! Also, Jake D emailed me and told me to ask why Will is king of the foosers? Not sure I understand.... |
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Tom, That's two questions. So I will provide three answers. 1) The spinneroo or limp-wristed flop over as those of use with class and style call it, is simple. Put the ball in a pin, stick your wrist on the handle, close your eyes, and pull up on your arm. The closing of the eyes appears to be an essential element to the shot. 2) Will is king of the foosers because he can trace his lineage back through all the previous kings. His father, according to the unsubstantiated rumour I just started, is the great Todd Loffredo. 3) 42. Tim |
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Tim, I am pretty sure it is 44... You might want to double check to make sure the answer is 42. I could be wrong... |
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Well, to double check that answer would require the construction of a computer far more advanced than Earth itself. But what would I know, I'm just a hitchhiker in time, searching for a free ride. |
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What's up with the flier? Did I miss it? |
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Nope. Still working on it, hopefully I can finish it right away, sorry for the delay. Was hoping to land a sponsor or two before publishing a flier.  |
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wheres the flier? |
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www.tablesoccerca.ning.com Just click the link on the main page! |
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http://tablesoccerca.ning.com/ There is no www. before the link... I forgot about that. |
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can you please let me know where dip is and on what table.. how many warrior tables are there.. what time the venue are allowing us to play to for sat and sun.. havent decided yet but just incase.. |
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I'm not sure where the dyp is. Worst case scenario we will have it at gateway, on warrior tables for sure though. We have 8 warrior tables. I'm not sure howlate we will be allowed to compete in the mall. I'll ask this question, they recently had a personell change related to "special events" so I'll need to hash out some details again. Worst case is 9 pm sat, 5 pm sun. |
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Author: spinner Reply #60 Posted: Mar 10 2010 3:46PM can you please let me know where dip is and on what table.. how many warrior tables are there.. what time the venue are allowing us to play to for sat and sun.. haven't decided yet but just in case.. A couple possible points of interest: How much is the Friday D.Y.P to enter for each player & the tables are open to free play or some extra fee since no coin-ops ? Players may need to know at what earliest time they may enter the Mall to practice. |
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Only to 5 on sun.. how are we gonna finish the tourney rooks, semis and open single events in a 6 hour spand on 8 table? not to mention the events that might not be finnish from fri??? and you wanna add funzie events too??? have any ideas on entries?? |
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Is there going to be lights on each table??? If the dyp is at Gateway Friday night on Warrior, and the tourney on Sat/Sun is at WEM, I have to ask the question...How? Are elves going to show up in the middle of the night, tear them down at Gateway and set them up at WEM the next morning??? |
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They actually are fairly easy to take apart, they are held together by a few main components, I would guess there planning to move them without taking them apart though. 1 budget truck holds 4 tables 2 trips leveling and your set, I think that's reasonable? How many players are expected? and from each rank. Is there a exit strategy if time is running out? Entry fees are on the flier Tuan, 40 per event. |
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as far as accommodations, is there anything close to the mall? |
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Thanks for bringing up some valid points. "Only to 5 on sun.. how are we gonna finish the tourney rooks, semis and open single events in a 6 hour spand on 8 table? not to mention the events that might not be finnish from fri??? and you wanna add funzie events too??? have any ideas on entries??" We expect the only rookies to be in attendance to be from edmonton, so we will probably have 10-16 rookies, maybe a few extra if some sask/calgary rookies show up. That wont take too long. I doubt there will be more people at this event than at nationals, I think finishing the Open events will be no problem - and will take priority over rookie and semi events. If there is rookie/semi games still left over - and I really think we can finish them - we have a couple of places that we could bring tables... Like I said though, this is worst case scenario. They havn't said they will kick us out at the time the mall closes, and I know the doors are open 24/7 at WEM. There is hotel's and bars in the mall and I doubt that it will be a problem playing at least a little bit late. I am trying to clear time frames with WEM - it would be best if we can play until whenever we want both nights, but we will see what happens. |
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"Is there going to be lights on each table??? If the dyp is at Gateway Friday night on Warrior, and the tourney on Sat/Sun is at WEM, I have to ask the question...How? Are elves going to show up in the middle of the night, tear them down at Gateway and set them up at WEM the next morning???" We will make sure the lighting is acceptable. It might not be as good as having table lights on each table, but if the lighting is not adequate we will have lights there to use. Our "elves" are named Will Sam Ben and Chad. Hopefully we will have a little extra help but I'm sure we can manage. We set up 12 tornado tables in very little time at Gateway for Nationals, and Warrior tables are MUCH lighter and easier to move around. It won't be an issue. Also.. We probably won't have all 8 tables avaliable at the DYP, maybe just 4. |
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"How many players are expected? and from each rank. Is there a exit strategy if time is running out? as far as accommodations, is there anything close to the mall?" I havn't heard too much about attendance. When I originally planned this event and posted it I didn't know there would be this much interest. I was thinking of it as mostly Edmonton players with maybe 10-15 calgary players. It looks like we will have 2-4 from Vancouver and 4 or 5 from Sask as well. I'm sure this won't have too much effect on the time frame of the event. If there is WAY more people coming than expected, mabye I will have to bump the start time for Open Singles to saturday also, to allow for games to be played. Obviously there will be a very strict recall period enforced. Hopefully people are willing to stick around and realize what games they need to have played. There is "fantasy land hotel" which is right in the mall - as well as several within walking distance. I don't have a special foos rate worked out with anyone, but Chad said he will work on that tomorrow! If I missed any questions please restate them for me, if there are any new questions or anything I wasn't clear enough on let me know. Thanks for your patience, I am doing the best I can and I think this tournament will be a succesful one. |
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